economies in the u.s. and u.k. improved. and those were, you know, big leaders. >> woodruff: but maybe it wasn't mont to last. >> maybe it wasn't meant to last but just one political historical note. the united states under ronald reagan's leadership was of no help. no help. ronald reagan had a blind spot. he saw the world through the narrow tunnel prism of anti-communism. and when the united states just outraged by apartheid and where the majority of the republican senate passed sanctions, ronald reagan vetoed them against the apartheid regime. and his veto was overridden in the senate and in the house, overwhelmingly, with, i mean people like john warner, dan quayle, the senator from indiana, john stennis, lock time democratic segregationist from mississippi. all voting to overturn. and it was really a time of moral obtuseness on the part of the leadership. >> mark's absolutely right about that. and it was a blind-- a black mark on the reagan administration. i was in south africa i used to ask people, how much do the sanct